Hi, hope the table will help you. A good part of my job is fascinating right now, but it’s still a job, and there’s a lot of stress due to logistics and delays. Our main focus is finding a way to build today at a reasonable cost using materials from a time when wasting energy was not the norm. Because of that, we work on many projects using stone and try to find solutions that make stone construction cheaper and adapted to modern needs. Stone is indeed a natural material, but we use it with a very industrial approach: the larger the stone blocks, the less expensive the installation on site. Of course, even though this occupies our thoughts, most of the time we are doing common work for the renovation of old buildings (in the best cases) or sometimes uninteresting new buildings.

Thanks, it’s almost perfect. I’ve added it to the table. The only drawbacks are that the business version is hosted by Google, and that even though Luxembourg is in the EU, it’s still considered something of a tax haven… but so are the swiss alternatives like proton…

If it can help you, I’m in the process of choosing a password manager for my small company and asked this (awesome) community for help.

I made a table with the results so far. You can find it here : https://sh.itjust.works/post/52850975

I’m still lost, but I hope it can help you…

Oh ok. In fact the reason I’d prefer it to be in the EU is more a “the US and its tech is in a downward autoritarian spiral so the less service I have there the better” thing. It’s more a moral stance than a practical thought. But of course my country is in the same spiral (a few years late) and my mother’s family is from another EU country that went to shit a while ago…

I think you are right but as I said alsewhere for now we are looking for a solution that works out of the box as we don’t have time and energy for maintenance, but I realise this has drawbacks.

For the past 8 years a friend of mine used to help me with technical stuff as a freelance, but he found a full time job recently and I haven’t found/looked for a replacement yet. When I do I’ll consider self hosting the password manager, and many other things that need improvement anyway…

You are certainly correct.

For now we are looking for a solution that works out of the box as we don’t have time and energy for maintenance, but I realise this has drawbacks.

As I said elsewhere for the past 8 years a friend of mine used to help me with technical stuff as a freelance, but he found a full time job recently and I haven’t found/looked for a replacement yet. When I do I’ll consider self hosting the password manager.

Well… We also have some bad practices that I need to fix. For some providers, the login is one of our email addresses and everyone uses it. We also share email accounts but we were not really meticulous so far… I’ll change that.

So we need a password manager with shared vaults as well as individual vaults.

As I just mentionned elsewhere : I didn’t realize it when I posted but after the feedback I think I’ll buy European… but canadian might be ok too. Why do you think 1password might become US-based?

Well it seems I screwed up on this end : after reading all the comments here I think we’ll chose something hosted by the provider : We don’t have much time to invest in the issue, and we are not very competent if the thing needs maintenance.

For the past 8 years a friend of mine used to help me with technical stuff as a freelance, but he found a full time job recently and I haven’t found/looked for a replacement yet.

Our experience with programming is pretty low, and unfortunately we really don’t have much energy and time to put into this. Therefore we want it to be hosted by the provider and to work out of the box. Also, one of the associate is not only not tech savvy, but more like anti-tech in general (He is specialised in the restoration of historic buildings, so it is part of his whole personnality). He has and uses a computer of course, but I had a hard time convincing him to get a smartphone (I bought him a fairphone with /e/os pre installed and said he would not be tracked with that. I have the same. I didn’t know about lineage and graphen at the time, but that would be to complicated/time consuming for me to maintain).

Also, as I just mentionned elsewhere : I didn’t realize it when I posted but after the feedback I think I’ll buy European. So now I’m looking at protonpass, padloc, dashlane and others…

The budget can be around 5€/users without problems.

I’ll try to find time to make a table with all the solution I looked at and to post it here.

I didn’t realize it when I posted, but after the feedback, I think I’ll buy European, which unfortunately rules out the best options mentioned so far in this thread. Protonpass is probably the best option so far

Thanks, I forgot to mention this, but I’d feel much more comfortable with something that cannot be forced to send my data to the US (I’m in Europe). Unfortunately, the best options mentioned so far in this thread are not based in Europe, but I’ll look into this list.

Thanks, I didn’t know about this one.

Do you know how they are on the moral side? The solution doesn’t seem open source, but I guess there are others things to look at.

Thanks. The difference between the 2 enterprise offers is unclear to me. I sent them a mail.

Tokyo banned diesel motors in the late 90s. As far as I know that didn’t kill Toyota.

At the same time European car makers started to lobby for particle filters that were supposed to solve everything. The politics who where naive enough to believe them do share responsibility, but not as much as the european auto industry that created this whole situation.

Also, you implies that laws are made by politicians without any intervention of the industries whatsoever. I think you know that it is not how it works.

We are talking about something that took 50 000 years. There is no mention of diseases in the article, but I don’t think if would make sense in such a long period of time.