pmk

I can see how one can interpret it like that, but it’s not how I read what he said. I think the point he’s trying to make is that hardened security protects the user from attacks, yes, but their focus is to provide services that can be trusted not to attack the user. He said: “really hardened security stuff that could clearly be useful for executives, in the secret service, or whatever. That’s not our goal”

I mean, I use GrapheneOS on my phone, but do I personally need all the hardened security? Not really. It’s nice theoretically, but mainly I’m just happy the OS itself isn’t spying on me. I’m personally not very worried about an evil maid attack or state level spying.

One reason can be if the involved apps don’t have unrestricted battery access. Then the OS will put the app to “sleep” when not used. Could be worth checking.

Ah! I didn’t know they didn’t sell there, that changes things.

The pro versions will be much more expensive than the “a” models (like 9a, 8a, 7a, etc), if you can find an “a”-phone, it will be cheaper. I would get at least an 8a, since they have support until 2030 or something like that, the 7a has support until 2027. The 6a is the oldest one which still has support, but only for a year or so more iirc.

How much is a refurbished pixel 8a in your country?

Would there be any benefit in running google play services in a private space, or does the sandboxing already provide that separation?

I got a pixel 9a for 370 euro in Sweden, which isn’t too bad. You can get a good refurbished 7 for less and it will have support for years to come.

In my country everything is built around this 2FA app that requires Google Play Services. But a phone with GrapheneOS and sandboxed google play should be better in total than just running stock android I guess? I wish I didn’t need google play services, but currently I do.

There is even an IANA RFC for three-letter acronyms (TLAs) (RFC5513), which says:

"For our usage, we also allow digits within a TLA. Thus, P2P is an
acronym meaning Purchase to Pay [URL-P2P]. The digits 2 and 4 are
specially used by clever people who have noticed that, when spoken,
they sound like the words ‘to’ and ‘for’. Whether this is helpful
may be left as an exercise for the user considering the brief
conversation, below.

A - Do you use the Internet Streams Protocol?
B - Yes. Do you use ST, too?
A - No, I use ST2.
B - That’s interesting. C uses ST2, too.
A - I have a car horn application called Toot-toot.
B - Really? Do you use ST2 to Toot-toot, too?"