I think they will, but I will wait and see confirmation before I go scorched earth and re install another version of Linux.

I know ultimately that you are right though, but I stills expect pushback and I’m hoping all this shit just gets overturned or an exclusion made for FOSS at the very least.

I would wait and be very vocal about not wanting it in the forums and stuff first.

This isn’t decided and nothing has been added yet at the time of me writing this.

It deserves to be ridiculed and shot down through so that it never makes it through but the problem is Red Hat is an American company.

So I always knew this was going to happen to fedora. Still though, let’s see what happens.

Oh yeah! I forgot about that one. Crazy times ahead for everyone.

I read it and just like the systemd merge, this isn’t the end for this.

We can circle back when it turns into full blown identification standards though if its more comfortable for you to come to terms with the reality then.

Also, “won’t necessarily send the data anywhere” isn’t exactly comforting.

Lol I remember watching that YouTube video about a north Korean phone that took screenshots every few minutes.

Freedom™

I already got BSD on a spare laptop. Granted it was freeBSD and I think I might switch to OpenBSD since the latter’s foundation is Canadian and not US based.

But yeah if they go through with this I will be uninstalling it off my gaming machine and switching to Arch 100%. I really appreciated that line about it “not being April fools” when it was introduced in their github thread.

Oh wait, there aren’t people chiming in to call me and others a fucking idiot and a stupid man child and all the other talking points for suggesting that the systemd merge was going to escalate?

Fascinating. I wonder where they all went. Maybe they’re on the BSD forums now, but somehow I doubt it.

Surveillance.

I imagine they’re thinking, “Well we will see what the new vote next month has to say about that!”

He probably means Neuro Divergent

This is true but I always felt like there was an ulterior motive behind it.

Like wow all of a sudden MicroSoft cares about open source code and contribution? I always felt like they did it to figure out how add backdoors into stuff somehow but then again I am a paranoid person and always assume the worst with companies in the tech field

Holy shit this is insane!

Microsoft is truly one of the worst companies for the user experience in my opinion. Its like they hate their users.

I finally got fed up with it last year and blocked the internet access of my TV on the router level becuase upon contacting support I learned that there was no way to turn off the microphone setting. For real. They just didn’t add that feature in to my model. I still can’t believe that.

It is a little incovneient that I have to turn on my PC before I can watch anything but man the freedom of knowing that TV won’t be spying on me 24/7 is freeing.

Next time I buy I will be looking for commercial displays with HDMI and DisplayPort if its even possible by then.

I’d be shocked if any other country let’s Americans use their banks and markets but I mean I guess its possible I know there’s forex and stuff like that.

I’ve always heard no one wants Americans to open bank accounts if they aren’t living there

You are right on that.

I hope that in the end this does end up all working out and I was just one of the crazy guys worried for no reason.

But either way I still think it is disappointing they did this so quickly and that they’re using a US push in law be such a deciding factor in originally pushing for it. It felt like that was the same way when they banned Russian maintainers. The USA and especially specific states shouldn’t have this much pull especially over open source community driven projects in my opinion.

I agree on everyone should be using E2E Encryption. Its an absolute disgrace that that was even mentioned in the court case at all as a possible link to terrorism.

I disagree that the state cant enforce this at least in a targeted way but, I really hope you are right in the end though.

I guess we will see.

You control what you install on your pc and I’d be willing to bet that whatever open source OS it is, probably uses Systemd. Unless you’re a Unix person.

They have set this up in a way that yes, right now at 11:21pm UTC on March 24th it isn’t being enforced or required.

But because of the replies of some of the maintainers in their github about this very merge they are suggesting that as soon as it becomes hard law, it will be enforced by them.

Particularly the part where one was replying to a system76 developer who mentioned that they are in talks with state legislators right now, that these proposed laws are very possibly going to be overturned, and that open source software might not even be required to do this at all and that we should give it more tim before we do something like this and the reply was:

“It is possible that California law will be changed. But similar ideas are popping up in other contexts and it’s unlikely that they’ll all go away. This implementation is fairly generic and useful for other things besides age verification, so we shouldn’t decide whether to merge it or not based on a single law in any jurisdiction.”

This suggests that they are doing this because of laws and ideas like this that are coming into play. And that they didn’t want to wait on the confirmation of whether it was law or not, they did it anyway. Why? That’s not very open. That isn’t really taking a stand to support Linux or its users that is voluntarily getting ahead of the control mechanism that “similar ideas” are going to use.

They shouldn’t have done this. In mine, and many, many other peoples opinions as well.

No no no, NOT “meeting the law” this has not been made law in USA yet which is the law they referenced when mentioning this merge.

You should read the thread in github.

A system76 developer said he’s in talk with state representatives, that this might even be overturned, and that it might not even affect open source software at all and one of the systemd maintainers said and I quote:

“It is possible that California law will be changed. But similar ideas are popping up in other contexts and it’s unlikely that they’ll all go away. This implementation is fairly generic and useful for other things besides age verification, so we shouldn’t decide whether to merge it or not based on a single law in any jurisdiction.” -keszybz

That seems like bending the knee pretty fucking hard man.

What they have done is proven that they can bully and harass open source software into submission. They should have waited until FORCED to do something like this but it seems like they’re beyond eager to lick anyone’s boots USA or otherwise.

Linux distros are not US entities bound to US law the last I checked (of course you have your Redhats and etc. And I guess maybe their Fedora distro might fall under us jurdistiction since its developed by red hat but I’m not sure because of being open sourced licensed.

They’ve bent the knee before with banning Russian and I think Chinese Linux kernal maintainers before which was also fucking bullshit.

The USA shouldn’t be able to swing its dick around and force the whole world into submission but boy it sure seems to get to every single year more and more and more.

And a lot of people here support it its so sad.

Anyway I’m getting off track with this but seriously no, they should have taken a stand not only for all of us but for Linux as a whole because systemd is a part of Linux as a whole.

If forced, I understand. This was not forced. This was suggested, merged welcomed and the thread locked as soon as any pushback happened.

Doesn’t seem very open anymore to be honest.

Legally banned = electronics seized, fines, and jail time when they catch you circumventing it and decide they want to make an example out of you.

I’m sure that won’t ever be used negatively or to target specific groups like investigative journalists and whistleblowers.

You not taking it seriously and trying to convince others to not take it seriously won’t make a better outcome.

I know right? Egypt, Tanzania, China, India, Iran, Iraq, Myanmar, Oman, Pakistan, Turkey, Turkminestan, The UAE, Belarus, and Russia all have laws outright banning or restricting (you know, not business but individuals [yes, they can do that]) VPN usage.

But it won’t happen here! You can take that to the bank.